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EminemFeatDRe — Sat, 22 Aug 2009 08:50:05 -0000

I know i hacve always dreaded the day arsene leaves us it will be one of the clubs worst days but im sure if the new guy convinces the board to pay high wages we could compete but arsene can do it cheap because he is the best in the world

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bhoy1887 — Sat, 22 Aug 2009 04:09:11 -0000

Hi if you re read my post you will see that i said our developing players are not as good as in the past. With respect Arsene did not invent youth policy. Busby had one at Man U Big Jock bless him broungt through many at Celtic in his time some of them truly world class. Your problems lie in the future when Arsene retires and your new guy WILL want to do it his way. If you consider Arsene to be you best ever manager then it follows that his replacement will be inferior, thats when your problems will begin. When i was much younger Celtic in nine years played in six European semi-Finals and two Eurpean Cup finals losing the second in extra time I thought it would last forever then Stein nearly lost his life in a car crash was out of football for a year. He did come back but was just not the same man we replaced him with his captain Billy Mcneil and it was slowly downhill from then on. Good luck in the coming season everyone enjoys Arsenals current style of play though as you will know it has not always been the Arsenal way. Enjoy it while it lasts someone someday will want to change it . Hail Hail

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jazbo — Fri, 21 Aug 2009 09:09:23 -0000

Great post !!!!!

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mjlb — Fri, 21 Aug 2009 06:03:31 -0000

i was merely replying to the article above which if you look again did not mention walcott, gibbs or wilshere. And do we know why? Because they weren't in the team. You can't call them 1st team players if they aren't in the team. Jack Wilshere is not a 1st team player yet. Because of a few fleeting glances in pre season you can't say he's established yet. Therefore calling me a moro is a bit overboard. I'm just stating the facts from above. I think Wenger is a very talented manager, one of the best, even if at times he only sees things one way. However maybe you guys should be asking yourself if you need English grit in your team alongside the substance. Chelsea have Terry, Cole and Lampard in the first XI, Man Utd have Ferdinand, Carrick, Scholes & Rooney and Liverpool have Gerrard and Carragher. Even Villa last year had Barry, Young, Knight and Davies at the heart of their good work last year until the last month when they faded. These players are all key players for their clubs and certainly help the foreign players display their talents more freely. Perhaps if you added this to your undeniably brilliant players in the first XI, you would be above these teams and not looking up at them..Admittedly you're not looking up at the moment but it's only 2 games into the season.
As far are Celtic and the SPL are concerned they have so far been celebrated for their play under Mowbray keeping the ball on the deck and I certainly don't think they were heavy handed on Tuesday night whatsoever. Donati is formerly of AC Milan, Crosas - Barcelona, N'Guemo was on Wenger's radar only a year ago. These boys play football. It's the only way they know how and Mowbray shares that philosophy. The SPL was already a poor league before the collapse of Setanta which took another 50million (half their revenue) out of the league. That's now 60m to share between 12 teams. Arsenal have more than that to themselves. I think you genuinely need to understand the financials before making statements of grandeur. I know you think that £35m may not be much for your starting line up in today's market, but compared to out market where even championship clubs can pay higher wages than Celtic and Rangers and League 1 sides can pay more than the other 10, it is on stratospheric terms.
I have no issue with Arsenal or Mr Wenger and I am 100% not bitter. I live in England and have done for 8 years so I am used to the "Scottish footbal is garbage" comments and "I don't know any of your players" attitude, and why should you need to know. The SPL is a minor league in European terms where as the Premiership is the greatest league in the World. What potentially you can't quite grasp though and maybe do not want to grasp is that Celtic is the 4th biggest supported club in the world according to FIFA due to number of fans worlwide and merchandise sales worldwide, and their fans demand greatness even thoguh they play in a very ordinary league but they still punch above thier weight. Even with their horrible budget they have reached the Champions League last 16 twice in the last 3 years (unfortunately drawing Barcelona and AC Milan on both occassions), have beat AC Milan, Man Utd, Benfica, Lyon, Juventus, Porto in the same competition in recent years. And have made it to a Uefa Cup Final in the last 7 years. Imagine the potential of this club with even a handful of the cash available to the EPL. I hope even an ignorant man would acknowledge that much.
In terms of Scotland it was only 18 months ago they were beating France home and away and were ABOVE England in the World Cup rankings. I am fully aware this is nothing to do with Celtic or Arsenal but since other people have mentioned the very sub standard level of the Scottish game on here I'd believe I'd respond. At the moment it's not great but if you look at EPL Transfer Activity this year you'll notice that one of the main countries players are coming in from is Scotland. The best Scottish talent is once again being cherry picked by Premier League clubs and hopefully a Dalglish, Souness, Hansen, Law, Bremner, or Gemmill will come from this in 5 or 6 years time.
I hope Arsenal do well this year and I will be at the Emirates on Wednesday night for the return leg even though the tie is over, but the new stadium is fantastic and hopefully Wenger's style of football will be rewarded at last as it's been too long without a trophy for you boys.

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diceman1984 — Fri, 21 Aug 2009 05:24:00 -0000

When we don't buy someone and lose people say that we don't have money to buy players so that's the reason.

When we win 2 big games against 2 good side, people say we beat them because we are richer.

People really hates us huh?

I don't care, I like that people always find bad things to say about Arsenal because I will find it so great when we prove them otherwise as we always do!

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diceman1984 — Fri, 21 Aug 2009 05:01:15 -0000

Damn right!

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Fred — Fri, 21 Aug 2009 00:45:53 -0000

spot on buddy! SPOT ON! Unfortunately this attitude permeates through all levels of "reporting" and is not exclusive to football. If people just put a little more thought and research into what they write....

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EminemFeatDRe — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 23:20:05 -0000

~And also if lacking money means you will lose,liverpool will be relegated this season which we all know wont happen,they are£60million down supposed to be made up in transfers so clearly if this is the way football was run put all you r money on liverpool going down and become broke yourself

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EminemFeatDRe — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 23:16:54 -0000

this should really be the last said about it because it should end all argument there is,
If money won a football game why were man city not 1st in the premier league last term?because they were rubbish,why were chelsea not champions every year since abramovich took over?why did man u lose to stoke even though they have £80million extra now?its because football is a sport where resluts are gained by team performance and not how much is in the bank!soto say celtic lost because they have less money means that qpr should be in the premier league since they are the richest side in the championship,yet they are an average side and also a point on the english thing jack wilshere is a young british player and he alone destroyed the scottish champions in the emirates cup so we clearly have the better youth and celtic cannot say anything about money they have spent plenty in their time so stop whinging because you arent as well financially managed as arsenal are!

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EminemFeatDRe — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 23:10:04 -0000

arsene has never spent big unless he feels he has to have the player as he did with reyes,reyes was actually very good in his performances its only because he couldnt settle he moved but he was still worth it for the goals against chelsea!
and the celtic youth set-up just isnt as good as arsenal's
at arsenal from the start players are tought 'the wenger way'of beautiful football and play this way through all age groups and then at senior level if they are good enough, a lot arent but wilshere,gibbs lansbury all are and will i imagine stay at arsenal for a fair bit of their careers

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EminemFeatDRe — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 22:52:23 -0000

i just wanna point out arsenal actually have 2 billionaire owners and could afford almost anyone but wenger will never do this unless he has to because its not who he is and i prefer it that way and the way we play compared to everone else,its far more exciting how arsenal play and frustrating when shit teams play 11behind the ball because its the only way to stop arsenal

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EminemFeatDRe — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 22:49:19 -0000

sj they still went out to stop fabregas via a foul every time he got the ball and others when he didnt(fox the cunt)so they played a dirty game mostly

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EminemFeatDRe — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 22:42:25 -0000

celtic sold then bought back maloney so he cost them money duh!didnt mention that did you?caldwell was taken from hibs no?have you heard of jack wilshere he is english and a 1st team player,gibbs also and walcott there is 3home grown players you absolute fool!and wilshere is gonna be a 1st team player easy!
and wenger created many english players carrers by giving them the advice he is so great at and allowing them to go to clubs and play week in week out,so he is helping the english game,moron!

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EminemFeatDRe — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 22:39:52 -0000

Barca didnt even want fabregas they didnt offer him a pro contract thats why he left and arsenal were probably the only team who were good who offered him a contract,also spain do offer a lot for youth players its only the best in england who earn a lot
jack wilshere £10k is a good amount for a player of that ability

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EminemFeatDRe — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 22:37:37 -0000

arsenal dont sell the best players,wenger lets players like ade go because they clearly dont wanna play for us anymore,he sells touré who was great and buys vermaelan who has been better so far and can head!
thats an improvment and bendter is ade's replacement and this is the year walcott will go through the middle since he has been building up body strenght.
and arsenal have a debt but only because of the emirates and that will be gone in a year or two thanks to very smart ideas in selling apartments at highbury,reccession affects it but it will pay off!and celtic have there stadium a long time,so thats why they are not in debt arsenal when the stadium is payed off wont be in debt ever again as long as wenger is in charge!
so celticdan face it,its not our fault you play in a pathtic league but wenger says yous could play in epl(lies)not top 6 as he says but yous cannot win cl anyway we do have a chance every year i feel

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EminemFeatDRe — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 22:28:54 -0000

Good God Man Trap Will Bring Us Irish The World Cup!!Lol

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Steveo — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 20:41:34 -0000

Ok. Now we have established that having more money than the other team is unfair, it follows we now have to move to a socialist system in football where each club is given an identical budget to the next to cover transfers, wages, etc., so every club is on an equal footing. Is that what we want? In which case perhaps the likes of Celtic (and Rangers) would struggle to fill the top 2 spaces every year and therby not be in a position to engage in this trite discussion about funds in a Champions League context..... I guess, in the interests of fairness, Celtic will now lobby the SFA for this to be introduced.

For once it would be nice to see the Arsenal win wihout someone try to p*ss on their parade. Particularly following all the propoganda against us in the close season for NOT spending money on players.

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Michael — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 20:20:43 -0000

Wonderful article! What was Untold has now been told! Bravo!

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robertmcmahon — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 19:57:23 -0000

would just like to add after reading the other posts. yea maybe in the past few years there has not been english players in the arsenal squad. but their has been a hell of a lot brought up threw our youth system and playing in the premier league. its not wengers fault they couldn't make the step up. He may regret letting a few of them go because in there mid twenties they got better (upson) but that was way to long to wait. and he has so many english players in the underage and reserves set up. plus wallcott, gibbs and the one everyone is getting so excited about - wilshire. so infact he has done loads for english football. and as a irish man looking in admiring your first 18 players and think you's have every chance of winning the Wcup next year i still feel that it is only about 18 players you have of any real class. spain could field 3 very strong teams. but as i said your 1st team is a gud as any out there. i do really hope england does it next year. this is your best team ever. but not for long. theres a great setup in england and i feel that in the 10 years that england should have some major honours! p.s. that should mean a lot coming from an irish man. :)

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robertmcmahon — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 19:24:34 -0000

Great article. i like the part about the peruvian 12 year old because henry use to be played as a left back in france. then he was moved to left wing a few months before wenger bought him. but i would safelyy say wenger had his eyes on him long before that and knew he was no defender.

also wenger keeps going on about this "recession" hitting football hard. and if it does then teams like united and liverpool could find themselves following leeds. i know people might laugh at that statement because they have such big followings but so do leeds. infact they hadd near 30,000 at their last home game and their league 1. were making money and their not. arsenals only debt is a stadium which is paying for itself at the moment. well it an highbury complex. wenger is a genius because these four yeears might have been hard but at least we won't be fighting it out in mid-table in 3-4 years time selling players to keep our club going!

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dolphinoconnor — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 19:16:49 -0000

I am an arsenal fan but I have to say the above article is highly biased and very misleading. The simple fact is that the revenue (and by extension the wage bill) of Arsenal is three times higher than that of Celtic. It is simply undeniable that Arsenal are much wealthier. It is nonsensical to argue otherwise.

From Celtics point of view this problem is compounded by the relative obscurity of Scottish football - the SPL makes for a rather poor shop window for the very best young talent in europe. If you were a 15 year old player in France and given the opportunity to sign (for the same wages) for either Arsenal or Celtic where would you choose to go? Even if Celtic could afford the massive scouting system that Arsenal have put in place, do you think it would reap the rewards that Arsenal have enjoyed? I don't think so.

Having said all that, the comparison between Arsenal and the rest of the "big four" is certainly valid - similar budgets but different philosophies.

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akif — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 19:10:27 -0000

oi u thikk ass who ever wrote it .. look at fabregas free den bout now look he is one of the best midfielders in the world.. wy dont u comparwe dem with their values now nd well like to see wat hpnd ...maneul almunia 8-7mil... sagna11mil... gallas 8mill... vermalen14mil..after celtic match..clichy 22mil.... walcott...9mil... fabregas...50mil.. nasri13mil..arshavin25mil...van persie.25mil...eduardo15mil..

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geezer1287 — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 18:31:39 -0000

I dont think anyones mentioned this but.....You werent complaining about rich vs poor when youve beaten Man United at your end. I repect Celtic, thought they played well, we got lucky, but deserved it. I dont see why the media makes such a big commotion outta nothing, before the game it wasnt "rich vs poor" so why does it change after the final whistle??

Great article by the way, as always

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who? — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:54:37 -0000

Sam Wallace what a tit, there's always 1001 reasons for something isnt it? if arsenal lost it would be down to "losing to a team with more physical presence and maturity in terms of age" wouldnt it? well guess what, that wont happen. the media enjoys taking the mickey out of arsenal.

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Steveo — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 17:30:27 -0000

Just get over it. We won, you lost. End of. In every game there is a team that cost more than the opposition. Will we whinge if we get beat by Chelski, Manure, etc. on account of money? Doubt it. Will Celtic apologise for beating the likes of Motherwell or Dundee Utd (whom the old firm have dominated partly by buying any decent players they bring on because they can afford to)??? Nope. Bring your small time Charlies down to Ashburton, take your spanking and then p*** off back to your little competitions where you belong. It's not as though Celtic or Rangers are ever going to progress very far in the CL anyway so best leave it to a team that will have a good go.